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 Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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Background info
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I have a Shuttle AK32E MB that has been very reliable since I bought
it a few years ago.
Recently, meaning a few months, I my brother gave me his 'broken
computer' knowing that I like them for parts. It turned out that it
wasn't broken. Somehow, he has kids, the sata drives boot drivers got
corrupted. I called him and told him in case he wanted it back. But he
had already bought a new one and told me to keep it. Since it happened
to be much better than my AK32E I figured I'd use it instead and use
my old one as a nice backup, just in case.
At a recent family reunion 2 other family members gave me their old
computers. One supposedly broken, the other no longer needed. The
supposedly broken one simply had the master switch, on the back near
where the power cord plugs in, turned off. My uncle had taken it to a
computer shop and they told him the MB was fried and sold him a new
computer. I told him not to rely on just their diagnosis since it was
the first time he had gone to that shop. But my Aunt, his wife, is
having a bout with cancer and I'm sure that lead to his impatience
with it. So he bought a new one and I now have 4 nice computers, or so
I thought.
Since the 2 new computers I got from the reunion had some nice
components in them I figured I could make my backup AK32E computer
even better. Maybe use it to do most of my cd/dvd burning/editing
whenever that bug gets to me. I hate staring at the screen waiting for
long processes to finish and moving all that to my backup was a great
idea, imho.
I moved my main dvd burner to my backup(AK32E) computer then booted up
into windows xp pro sp2 to install Nero. I got almost to the end of
installation when the computer suddenly powered down. Not a good sign.
I rebooted and everything seemed fine. But I removed Nero and tried
reinstalling. Exact same thing at about the same spot. So I figured it
may be my copy of Nero.
But about this time I noticed that my Main drive was set as a slave
drive with no master. Not sure if it had been that way since I
reinstalled or not but I tohugh that that might be my problem. So I
pulled the drive and it's jumper was set for cable select. I changed
it to master and tried to boot up. No go. I ened up formatting and
reinstalling windows xp. It was now set as the mast drive but now it
would not recognize my main dvd burner and being installed in the
system. It's a plextor and I love the thing so I got sorried thinking
after all these years it had finally crapped out on me. So I put it in
my new system my brother had given me, which is where it was before I
put it in my backup, and everything was fine.
I was starting to lose patience so I decided, screw it, I'll use the
computer my uncle gave me as my backup since it also has a brand new
dvd burner and a dvd-ram drive in it already. But even though
everythign seemed ok with it, there was a problem. I wont get into
that in this post. I plan on asking for all of your expertise with
that once we figureo ut whats wrong with my shuttle AK32E system
first.
when I dicovered there was a problem with my Uncle's gift i decided to
knuckle down and fix my old reliable Shuttle system.
Now to the problem:
Problem
-----------------------
I turned it on and got the apology about an improper shut down and I
chose normal startup. It showed the bar on the bottom(progress
indicator) and it moved all the way to the far right, then stopped.
After a few minutes I powered it down and retried. Same thing. So I
thought maybe the hard drive was having trouble. I removed the hard
drive from my another working computer, put it in, and got the exact
same thing. That showed me it was not the hard drive. Also, no posting
error beeps what so ever. I rebooted and went into the bios, loaded
the defaults and only changed it to recognize a usb keyboard and got
the same thing. The ram was being calculated, but I thought maybe,
just maybe... so I took one stick out at a time and and each was still
calculated ok, but got the same thing.
Also, if I remove the jumper from the hard drive and detach the only
other drive, cd-rom, it acts like there is no hard disk at all and
gives me the failure to boot message, about the drive missing.
Oh, and I even tried clearing the CMOS in case it somehow got
corrupted. But that didn't change anything what so ever either.
-----------------------
Ok, thats about it. I'm sorry for being so long winded on the
description. But I figured if you knew everything I had tried up until
now you'd be better informed on what I might have over looked. And I'm
hoping like crazy that I'm overlooking something. Because if not it's
beginning to look to me as if the Primary IDE channel is shot.
Can anyone think of something that might be causing the problem? I'll
try just about anything. I'm familiar enough with computers to know
that if I overlook 1 little tiny thing it can cause a problem. So
hopefully that's what I'm doing. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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"Kyote" <kyote_love_at_no_spam_hotmail_dot_com> wrote
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Background info
-----------------------
I have a Shuttle AK32E MB that has been very
reliable since I bought
it a few years ago.
Recently, meaning a few months, I my brother gave me
his 'broken
computer' knowing that I like them for parts. It
turned out that it
wasn't broken. Somehow, he has kids, the sata drives
boot drivers got
corrupted. I called him and told him in case he
wanted it back. But he
had already bought a new one and told me to keep it.
Since it happened
to be much better than my AK32E I figured I'd use it
instead and use
my old one as a nice backup, just in case.
At a recent family reunion 2 other family members
gave me their old
computers. One supposedly broken, the other no
longer needed. The
supposedly broken one simply had the master switch,
on the back near
where the power cord plugs in, turned off. My uncle
had taken it to a
computer shop and they told him the MB was fried and
sold him a new
computer. I told him not to rely on just their
diagnosis since it was
the first time he had gone to that shop. But my
Aunt, his wife, is
having a bout with cancer and I'm sure that lead to
his impatience
with it. So he bought a new one and I now have 4
nice computers, or so
I thought.
Since the 2 new computers I got from the reunion had
some nice
components in them I figured I could make my backup
AK32E computer
even better. Maybe use it to do most of my cd/dvd
burning/editing
whenever that bug gets to me. I hate staring at the
screen waiting for
long processes to finish and moving all that to my
backup was a great
idea, imho.
I moved my main dvd burner to my backup(AK32E)
computer then booted up
into windows xp pro sp2 to install Nero. I got
almost to the end of
installation when the computer suddenly powered
down. Not a good sign.
I rebooted and everything seemed fine. But I removed
Nero and tried
reinstalling. Exact same thing at about the same
spot. So I figured it
may be my copy of Nero.
But about this time I noticed that my Main drive was
set as a slave
drive with no master. Not sure if it had been that
way since I
reinstalled or not but I tohugh that that might be
my problem. So I
pulled the drive and it's jumper was set for cable
select. I changed
it to master and tried to boot up. No go. I ened up
formatting and
reinstalling windows xp. It was now set as the mast
drive but now it
would not recognize my main dvd burner and being
installed in the
system. It's a plextor and I love the thing so I got
sorried thinking
after all these years it had finally crapped out on
me. So I put it in
my new system my brother had given me, which is
where it was before I
put it in my backup, and everything was fine.
I was starting to lose patience so I decided, screw
it, I'll use the
computer my uncle gave me as my backup since it also
has a brand new
dvd burner and a dvd-ram drive in it already. But
even though
everythign seemed ok with it, there was a problem. I
wont get into
that in this post. I plan on asking for all of your
expertise with
that once we figureo ut whats wrong with my shuttle
AK32E system
first.
when I dicovered there was a problem with my Uncle's
gift i decided to
knuckle down and fix my old reliable Shuttle system.
Now to the problem:
Problem
-----------------------
I turned it on and got the apology about an improper
shut down and I
chose normal startup. It showed the bar on the
bottom(progress
indicator) and it moved all the way to the far
right, then stopped.
After a few minutes I powered it down and retried.
Same thing. So I
thought maybe the hard drive was having trouble. I
removed the hard
drive from my another working computer, put it in,
and got the exact
same thing. That showed me it was not the hard
drive. Also, no posting
error beeps what so ever. I rebooted and went into
the bios, loaded
the defaults and only changed it to recognize a usb
keyboard and got
the same thing. The ram was being calculated, but I
thought maybe,
just maybe... so I took one stick out at a time and
and each was still
calculated ok, but got the same thing.
Also, if I remove the jumper from the hard drive and
detach the only
other drive, cd-rom, it acts like there is no hard
disk at all and
gives me the failure to boot message, about the
drive missing.
Oh, and I even tried clearing the CMOS in case it
somehow got
corrupted. But that didn't change anything what so
ever either.
-----------------------
Ok, thats about it. I'm sorry for being so long
winded on the
description. But I figured if you knew everything I
had tried up until
now you'd be better informed on what I might have
over looked. And I'm
hoping like crazy that I'm overlooking something.
Because if not it's
beginning to look to me as if the Primary IDE
channel is shot.
Can anyone think of something that might be causing
the problem? I'll
try just about anything. I'm familiar enough with
computers to know
that if I overlook 1 little tiny thing it can cause
a problem. So
hopefully that's what I'm doing.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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Kyote <kyote_love_at_no_spam_hotmail_dot_com> wrote:
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Background info
-----------------------
I have a Shuttle AK32E MB that has been very reliable since I bought
it a few years ago.
Recently, meaning a few months, I my brother gave me his 'broken
computer' knowing that I like them for parts. It turned out that it
wasn't broken. Somehow, he has kids, the sata drives boot drivers got
corrupted. I called him and told him in case he wanted it back. But he
had already bought a new one and told me to keep it. Since it happened
to be much better than my AK32E I figured I'd use it instead and use
my old one as a nice backup, just in case.
At a recent family reunion 2 other family members gave me their old
computers. One supposedly broken, the other no longer needed. The
supposedly broken one simply had the master switch, on the back near
where the power cord plugs in, turned off. My uncle had taken it to a
computer shop and they told him the MB was fried and sold him a new
computer. I told him not to rely on just their diagnosis since it was
the first time he had gone to that shop. But my Aunt, his wife, is
having a bout with cancer and I'm sure that lead to his impatience
with it. So he bought a new one and I now have 4 nice computers, or so
I thought.
Since the 2 new computers I got from the reunion had some nice
components in them I figured I could make my backup AK32E computer
even better. Maybe use it to do most of my cd/dvd burning/editing
whenever that bug gets to me. I hate staring at the screen waiting for
long processes to finish and moving all that to my backup was a great
idea, imho.
I moved my main dvd burner to my backup(AK32E) computer then booted up
into windows xp pro sp2 to install Nero. I got almost to the end of
installation when the computer suddenly powered down. Not a good sign.
I rebooted and everything seemed fine. But I removed Nero and tried
reinstalling. Exact same thing at about the same spot. So I figured it
may be my copy of Nero.
But about this time I noticed that my Main drive was set as a slave
drive with no master. Not sure if it had been that way since I
reinstalled or not but I tohugh that that might be my problem. So I
pulled the drive and it's jumper was set for cable select. I changed
it to master and tried to boot up. No go. I ened up formatting and
reinstalling windows xp. It was now set as the mast drive but now it
would not recognize my main dvd burner and being installed in the
system. It's a plextor and I love the thing so I got sorried thinking
after all these years it had finally crapped out on me. So I put it in
my new system my brother had given me, which is where it was before I
put it in my backup, and everything was fine.
I was starting to lose patience so I decided, screw it, I'll use the
computer my uncle gave me as my backup since it also has a brand new
dvd burner and a dvd-ram drive in it already. But even though
everythign seemed ok with it, there was a problem. I wont get into
that in this post. I plan on asking for all of your expertise with
that once we figureo ut whats wrong with my shuttle AK32E system
first.
when I dicovered there was a problem with my Uncle's gift i decided to
knuckle down and fix my old reliable Shuttle system.
Now to the problem:
Problem
-----------------------
I turned it on and got the apology about an improper shut down and I
chose normal startup. It showed the bar on the bottom(progress
indicator) and it moved all the way to the far right, then stopped.
After a few minutes I powered it down and retried. Same thing. So I
thought maybe the hard drive was having trouble. I removed the hard
drive from my another working computer, put it in, and got the exact
same thing. That showed me it was not the hard drive. Also, no posting
error beeps what so ever. I rebooted and went into the bios, loaded
the defaults and only changed it to recognize a usb keyboard and got
the same thing. The ram was being calculated, but I thought maybe,
just maybe... so I took one stick out at a time and and each was still
calculated ok, but got the same thing.
Also, if I remove the jumper from the hard drive and detach the only
other drive, cd-rom, it acts like there is no hard disk at all and
gives me the failure to boot message, about the drive missing.
Oh, and I even tried clearing the CMOS in case it somehow got
corrupted. But that didn't change anything what so ever either.
-----------------------
Ok, thats about it. I'm sorry for being so long winded on the
description. But I figured if you knew everything I had tried up until
now you'd be better informed on what I might have over looked. And I'm
hoping like crazy that I'm overlooking something. Because if not it's
beginning to look to me as if the Primary IDE channel is shot.
Can anyone think of something that might be causing the problem? I'll
try just about anything. I'm familiar enough with computers to know
that if I overlook 1 little tiny thing it can cause a problem. So
hopefully that's what I'm doing.
|
Your post raises a number of questions, not least, did you take anti
static precautions when your were playing about inside ? And did you
make sure that there was no power on the mainboard before removing
components ?
Re "Cable Select" The advantage of using "Cable Select" settings is
that you do not have to worry about master/slave relationships. The
mainboard could'nt care less about which channel you choose for the
drives. As to a drive appearing as a slave without a master suggests
that either, the cable is faulty or the device is not connected at the
end of the cable ! Which would normally be the master !
As far as testing the mainboard is concerned, you should be able to see
the BIOS screen without any drives connected at all. All that is
needed is video card, CPU and RAM. Of course the PSU should be fully
functioning and you do need the heatsink/fan on the CPU as well. It
doesn't matter if the video is on board.
Good Luck. Let us know how you get on.
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Best Regards:
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:49:22 +1000, "Neil Green"
<nrgreenNOT@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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Change the mobo battery.
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Thank you for the reply. I will if you still think I should try it but
the system time is set and accurate, no glitches. I think if the
battery were dead I'd have to reset the time every time I turned it
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Kyote
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:13:14 +0100, Baron
<baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
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Your post raises a number of questions, not least, did you take anti
static precautions when your were playing about inside ? And did you
make sure that there was no power on the mainboard before removing
components ?
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No I did not take anti-static precautions. Reason being my floor is
concrete with a linoleum overlay. I walk around barefoot all the time
and for the last 2.5 yrs I've lived here I've never ever felt a static
discharge when touching anything. Not ever.
| Quote: |
Re "Cable Select" The advantage of using "Cable Select" settings is
that you do not have to worry about master/slave relationships. The
mainboard could'nt care less about which channel you choose for the
drives. As to a drive appearing as a slave without a master suggests
that either, the cable is faulty or the device is not connected at the
end of the cable ! Which would normally be the master !
|
I was using a cable that only had 2 connectors, at the time. one for
the Mobo the other for the drive. It was an 80 wire cable that also
has the notches to prevent hooking it up backwards.
| Quote: |
As far as testing the mainboard is concerned, you should be able to see
the BIOS screen without any drives connected at all. All that is
needed is video card, CPU and RAM. Of course the PSU should be fully
functioning and you do need the heatsink/fan on the CPU as well. It
doesn't matter if the video is on board.
|
I disconnected everything after changing the bios setting so it didn't
skip the tests. The only problem it found was no hard drive, which was
to be expected, since none was currently plugged in.
| Quote: |
Good Luck. Let us know how you get on.
|
As to the static thing, I guess it is possible that something of that
nature happened even though it hasn't ever occurred before and the
other reasons I explained above. But I would think there would still
be some kind of error.
The screen comes up that lists all drives and PCI devices and nothing
shows as out of the ordinary. Although I have to say I've never sat
down and copied everything on that screen from when it worked fine.
Also, in the BIOS under PC Health everything reads normal.
Thank you for the idea's. The static thing never rued to me. So if it
went bad it could conceivably be because of that. But I'm going to
work on the presumption that that is not the case, otherwise I'd get
some type of error.
Please, any more idea's? |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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Kyote <kyote_love_at_no_spam_hotmail_dot_com> wrote:
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:13:14 +0100, Baron
baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
Your post raises a number of questions, not least, did you take anti
static precautions when your were playing about inside ? And did you
make sure that there was no power on the mainboard before removing
components ?
No I did not take anti-static precautions. Reason being my floor is
concrete with a linoleum overlay. I walk around barefoot all the time
and for the last 2.5 yrs I've lived here I've never ever felt a static
discharge when touching anything. Not ever.
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With all due respect you would never feel anything at the voltages that
can cause damage. However I take your point.
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Re "Cable Select" The advantage of using "Cable Select" settings is
that you do not have to worry about master/slave relationships. The
mainboard could'nt care less about which channel you choose for the
drives. As to a drive appearing as a slave without a master suggests
that either, the cable is faulty or the device is not connected at the
end of the cable ! Which would normally be the master !
I was using a cable that only had 2 connectors, at the time. one for
the Mobo the other for the drive. It was an 80 wire cable that also
has the notches to prevent hooking it up backwards.
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A cable with only two connectors can support either a master or a
slave ! It wouldn't normally be used with cable select, although it
wouldn't cause any damage.
| Quote: |
As far as testing the mainboard is concerned, you should be able to
see the BIOS screen without any drives connected at all. All that is
needed is video card, CPU and RAM. Of course the PSU should be fully
functioning and you do need the heatsink/fan on the CPU as well. It
doesn't matter if the video is on board.
I disconnected everything after changing the bios setting so it didn't
skip the tests. The only problem it found was no hard drive, which was
to be expected, since none was currently plugged in.
|
That sounds normal to me. The HDD could have died ! When you connect a
HDD did you tell the BIOS to Auto Detect it ? It should and then you
should be able to use "fdisk" to see it. That will tell you what
partitions and type are on the drive.
| Quote: |
Good Luck. Let us know how you get on.
As to the static thing, I guess it is possible that something of that
nature happened even though it hasn't ever occurred before and the
other reasons I explained above. But I would think there would still
be some kind of error.
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See above.
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The screen comes up that lists all drives and PCI devices and nothing
shows as out of the ordinary. Although I have to say I've never sat
down and copied everything on that screen from when it worked fine.
Also, in the BIOS under PC Health everything reads normal.
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That all sounds right !
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Thank you for the idea's. The static thing never rued to me. So if it
went bad it could conceivably be because of that. But I'm going to
work on the presumption that that is not the case, otherwise I'd get
some type of error.
Please, any more idea's?
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Let's know what you find.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Shuttle AK32E boot problem |
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"Kyote" <kyote_love_at_no_spam_hotmail_dot_com> wrote
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:49:22 +1000, "Neil Green"
nrgreenNOT@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Change the mobo battery.
Thank you for the reply. I will if you still think I
should try it but
the system time is set and accurate, no glitches. I
think if the
battery were dead I'd have to reset the time every
time I turned it
on.
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OK.
I presume you've already replaced the IDE cable with a
known good one? |
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