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Klunk
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 Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:53:53 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
Can't find any info on WinSnoop even google lets me down, got a link?
Argh, it should read "WinPooch". Though it does not only use change
notifications, but also some IAT hooking. :-/
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WinPooch just locks the machine up so I'll give that a miss. Tried it on
my test image and on a virgin XP Pro box I keep for testing. It's pants. |
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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For me, the old AVG worked pretty good and I was happy to recommend it
as a primary virus protection program for a PC.
This new Version 8.0 is invasive of system resources and slows my 4
year old PC down considerably, especially during simple browsing on
IE.
It appears to call up other web sites in the background just to check
the validity of links on whatever page I call up. Yes, I know I can
disable this and other features, but even when I shut down AVG on
startup, it seems that there are processes running in the background
that interfer with IE and either slow it down or make it hang.
When they fix it, I'll be happy to start using it again. Virus
protection is a good thing.
I just don't have the time to experiment with every single setting
(and by default), it seems that every single resource-consuming check
is turned on when you install it.
Just my experience with AVG 8.0, so far... |
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Sebastian G.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Klunk wrote:
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:53:53 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
writing:
Klunk wrote:
Can't find any info on WinSnoop even google lets me down, got a link?
Argh, it should read "WinPooch". Though it does not only use change
notifications, but also some IAT hooking. :-/
WinPooch just locks the machine up so I'll give that a miss.
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How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a local
unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you should analyze
the issue and report it to Microsoft. |
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Sebastian G.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Beachcomber wrote:
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For me, the old AVG worked pretty good and I was happy to recommend it
as a primary virus protection program for a PC.
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Did I miss something? It's a virus scanner, it can't protect from viruses by
design.
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This new Version 8.0 is invasive of system resources and slows my 4
year old PC down considerably, especially during simple browsing on
IE.
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WTF? You want security, yet you're abusing MSIE as a webbrowser? |
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Klunk
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:13:45 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:53:53 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
Can't find any info on WinSnoop even google lets me down, got a link?
Argh, it should read "WinPooch". Though it does not only use change
notifications, but also some IAT hooking. :-/
WinPooch just locks the machine up so I'll give that a miss.
How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a
local unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you
should analyze the issue and report it to Microsoft.
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Who have said it is sloppy third party coding. Next ? |
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Sebastian G.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Klunk wrote:
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How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a
local unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you
should analyze the issue and report it to Microsoft.
Who have said it is sloppy third party coding. Next ?
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Find out when and where you've broken your machine. |
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Klunk
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:04:43 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:59:29 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a
local unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you
should analyze the issue and report it to Microsoft.
Who have said it is sloppy third party coding. Next ?
Find out when and where you've broken your machine.
I have, it was on installation of the Winpooch. Running a number of
Sysinternals tools shows it right up. Process Explorer for one shows it
maxing out. Next?
OK, and now *where* have you broken it? What changed ACL or
configuration setting made Winpooch trigger your machine lockup? After
all, without such change by you, locking up the machine wouldn't be
possible.
(Now please don't tell me you tried installing and running it with admin
privileges...)
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I think you would need to ask the author where *they* have broken it. It
was installed with non-admin privileges and got as far as a splash
screen, system tray icon and hung in a fashion that made Nuremberg look
like a blip. In locking up it managed to try and stop almost *anything*
running, with a maxing out of CPU.
If you think that AVG8 was shit, it does not hold a torch to Winpooch.
It's in the bin with that - but thanks for your interest. As I run Linux
as my OS of choice (go on, have a look at all the headers to satisfy
yourself) I don't really need to be all that concerned with a piece of
shit wincrap that doesn't work. Perhaps if I need something to stop the
machine working I'll put Vista on it next time for a laugh ;-)
If you want to carry on trying to look smart for the last word go right
ahead. I am sorry that the software you suggested was shit and didn't
work for me. I know you are finding hard to accept and that it must hurt
your feelings. Perhaps I can help you with that? |
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Sebastian G.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Klunk wrote:
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:59:29 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
writing:
Klunk wrote:
How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a
local unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you
should analyze the issue and report it to Microsoft.
Who have said it is sloppy third party coding. Next ?
Find out when and where you've broken your machine.
I have, it was on installation of the Winpooch. Running a number of
Sysinternals tools shows it right up. Process Explorer for one shows it
maxing out. Next?
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OK, and now *where* have you broken it? What changed ACL or configuration
setting made Winpooch trigger your machine lockup? After all, without such
change by you, locking up the machine wouldn't be possible.
(Now please don't tell me you tried installing and running it with admin
privileges...) |
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Klunk
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:59:29 +0200, Sebastian G. passed an empty day by
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Klunk wrote:
How could it lock up the machine? Unless it accidentially triggers a
local unprivileged DoS condition, which in turn would mean that you
should analyze the issue and report it to Microsoft.
Who have said it is sloppy third party coding. Next ?
Find out when and where you've broken your machine.
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I have, it was on installation of the Winpooch. Running a number of
Sysinternals tools shows it right up. Process Explorer for one shows it
maxing out. Next? |
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Sebastian G.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Klunk wrote:
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I think you would need to ask the author where *they* have broken it.
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Sure, but...
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It was installed with non-admin privileges and got as far as a splash
screen, system tray icon and hung in a fashion that made Nuremberg look
like a blip. In locking up it managed to try and stop almost *anything*
running, with a maxing out of CPU.
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this shouldn't lock up the machine unless you managed to misconfigure it
somewhere.
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If you think that AVG8 was shit, it does not hold a torch to Winpooch.
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Well, I just suggested Winpooch because it seems to be user-friendly. I for
one had simply implemented the needed on-demand scan as a simple script
running in the background. |
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Jim Watt
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On 29 May 2008 11:45:18 GMT, Klunk <bill.gates@microsoft.com> wrote:
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Why not just shut the whole package off
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Because I want the other features which are useful
and work well.
If you stopped to THINK for a moment which
might involve getting your head out of your
arse, Thats is why AVG give your the option of
selectively enabling features.
Now you have had that explained, fuck off.
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Jim Watt
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Jim Watt
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:15:27 +0200, "Sebastian G." <seppi@seppig.de>
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WTF? You want security, yet you're abusing MSIE as a webbrowser?
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some things only work properly with IE
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Klunk
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:51:11 +0200, Jim Watt passed an empty day by
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On 29 May 2008 11:45:18 GMT, Klunk <bill.gates@microsoft.com> wrote:
Why not just shut the whole package off
Because I want the other features which are useful and work well.
If you stopped to THINK for a moment which might involve getting your
head out of your arse, Thats is why AVG give your the option of
selectively enabling features.
Now you have had that explained, fuck off.
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Jim, thanks for your explanation. I'm sorry that you are so touchy about
AVG8. It was rude of me to forget that those on low incomes or welfare
need AV protection too. I guess a half working program where you switch
off the bits that don't work is better than nothing.
Perhaps you could get a grant or a social security loan to help you buy
something suitable and experience the difference in professional
software, or get someone who knows about computers to show you the
alternatives, such as Clam AV or even Linux if you are on a limited
budget.
Kind regards
Klunk. |
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mandm
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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Klunk wrote:
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:51:11 +0200, Jim Watt passed an empty day by
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On 29 May 2008 11:45:18 GMT, Klunk <bill.gates@microsoft.com> wrote:
Why not just shut the whole package off
Because I want the other features which are useful and work well.
If you stopped to THINK for a moment which might involve getting your
head out of your arse, Thats is why AVG give your the option of
selectively enabling features.
Now you have had that explained, fuck off.
Jim, thanks for your explanation. I'm sorry that you are so touchy about
AVG8. It was rude of me to forget that those on low incomes or welfare
need AV protection too. I guess a half working program where you switch
off the bits that don't work is better than nothing.
Perhaps you could get a grant or a social security loan to help you buy
something suitable and experience the difference in professional
software, or get someone who knows about computers to show you the
alternatives, such as Clam AV or even Linux if you are on a limited
budget.
Kind regards
Klunk.
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Heh.....You shouldn't feed trolls like Jim Watt.
Certainly you're aware that strutting little peacocks like him generally
use rudeness to cover up their sheer incompetence. He's likely an
XP-off-the-shelf user (installed by someone else) who has never used
anything other than Windows, and parrots the wisdom of similar shrills
who preceded him. This is his life.
Am a little surprised that someone with your sensibilities would be
involved in an AVG conversation...... would've guessed you'd be using
AntiVir/Avira or Kaspersky; in route to Linux or BSD....... |
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Klunk
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Any problems with AVG8? |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:12:08 -0400, mandm passed an empty day by writing:
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Heh.....You shouldn't feed trolls like Jim Watt.
It is not charitable to turn your back on the less able and those in |
need. Normal people are able to see through the abuse and recognise that
it is a mask. It usually comes down to a person who thinks they are near
expert in a subject, but in fact know very little. To try and stop
themselves being made to look stupid they hurl abuse around hoping that
you won't notice they have tried to shift the focus. There also usually
tends to be a lack of achievement, bitterness and poor human contact/
social skills in these people and they deserve pity. Abuse is just the
handrail of a crippled mind and you need to give these simple people a
hand up from the gutter from time to time. You normally tend to find if
you engage them in worthwhile conversation after a while they want to
join in and be included on the same level as everyone else.
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Am a little surprised that someone with your sensibilities would be
involved in an AVG conversation......
It is freeware, which is always of interest to an Opensource bug like me. |
It has not always been rubbish either.
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would've guessed you'd be using
AntiVir/Avira or Kaspersky; in route to Linux or BSD.......
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Ultimately, none of them are any good if you have an idiot working the
box. When I run windows (which is rarely and only for those apps that I
'must have'), I use ClamAV. I made the error of giving AVG8 a spin, and
found it to be pants IMHO. For intrusion detection I've happily used
Snort for a long time.
In the interests of balance it's not just the windows users out there
that suffer from bad code and crashing applications - Linux is pretty
much ace at that too. As far as security goes a Linux user running a
machine with a whole load of open ports and unnecessary services ticking
over is no safer than any other OS user. A Linux user who assumes he is
safe because he runs Linux may be no safer than a windows user who is
savvy to security IMO, that is. |
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